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    NOS4A2 Review S02E09 Review: Welcome to Christmasland – We always knew it would come to this!

    By Salome G
    | August 16, 2020
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    Ever since Vic made it her mission to burn it to the ground, it stood to reason that we would one day see the battle of Christmasland. I’m not sure that Vic ever dreamed that she’d have to do it with her own child there, but like with Maggie’s tiles, sometimes you get what you get.

    Wayne’s arrival in Christmasland, though, does give us a new glimpse of the whole experience. Not only do you get your own pair of scissors (for the drifter), but you also get to write your name in the guestbook. Charlie, the would-be Father Christmas, encourages all the kiddies to take his name, which Wayne does. And despite the fact that he’s a terrible dad–foreshadowing–he’s honestly so good with the rest of the children. Probably because they feed his ego in a way that some Millicents do not.

    NOS4A2 S02e09 Jahkara Smith Ashleigh Cummings Maggie Leigh Vic McQueen

    On that note, he completely misses Vic and Maggie’s arrival in Christmasland because he’s off finding Millie, who didn’t join the scrum to greet his return. She ends up taking him to the house outside Christmasland. Question: Why do you think he went with her? I can’t figure it out. And when I try to, I end up meditating on the house’s existence, period. I guess if you’re able to create an inscape, then you have to put your fears somewhere. And then if I think about fears and inscapes for very long, then I think of only one thing: 🤡

    So I’m going to not get that far into the weeds, ’cause in any case, Millie’s reasoning, at least, is clear. She wants to leave. She wants them all to leave, in fact, so they can be a regular family again. Cassie has to explain that she can’t leave and then, in the parlance of our times, she reads Charlie. In the slightly more recent parlance, she’s like, “It’s the overall failure for me.” At least she got to do that.

    Millie, though, accepts the news of her mother’s death stranding–wink–perhaps better than you might expect. She still just wants to live, though, so she’s begging her dad to come with her. Please note that he won’t even promise to try. But Vic did.

    NOS4A2 S02e09 Christmasland

    I would cut to Vic for comment, but she and Maggie are a little busy right now setting bombs and dodging feral children.

    And back in our dimension, Tabitha and Lou are just waitin’ in the car. Let’s listen in!

    No, Lou, don’t say you’ll quit burgers when Wayne and Vic get back. Loooooooou, I don’t like this kind of talk! Great God a’mighty, why don’t you just buy a new motorcycle and name it the Live Forever?! Gah. Speaking of bad emotions, this unnerving barbershop quartet? I’m good, love–enjoy.

    NOS4A2 S02e09 Kids

    Anyway, Charlie finally figures out that Vic is in Christmasland. Well, he doesn’t so much figure it out as he’s told. So, time for a confrontation, and let’s just call it a draw. Millie’s too scared to say anything and Wayne is still deep in the Christmasland thrall. Notice, though, that Vic doesn’t push Millie. I think Millie sure does. Especially once she realizes that no matter what Charlie is doing, staying or leaving, he’s not checking for her. “I’m not enough. I never was.” Yeah, your pa’s all about himself. Got to say, though, that I am loving Millie’s new rebellious phase.

    Nos4a2 S02e09 Jahkara Smith Maggie Leigh

    But as the bombs go off, Charlie starts to weaken and wither into Old Man Manx. Meanwhile, the witch kids, who are oblivious to the world literally crumbling around them, are playing keep-away with Maggie’s tiles. Can Maggie not get another set, another knife like Vic has had to do? At least she wouldn’t have to chase that one girl into the Ice Maze.

    Vic follows her in, where she explains to Wayne that Christmas every day means you don’t get to experience the rest of the year. Most importantly, you don’t get to experience the Fourth of July, his actual favorite holiday. It’s very sweet until he stabs her with the scissors. At least he won Scissors for the Drifter, though.

    Then they have to deal with Charlie again, but the more bombs that go off, the weaker he gets. Vic could probably stay there hitting him forever, but Maggie stops her, telling her “He’s just an old bitch. That’s all he ever was.” True. Besides, you gotta get Wayne (and Millie) out of there.

    Nevermind, Millie’s handling it herself, trying to get up the courage to step through the static into our dimension. She does and starts to fizz out, but grabbing an ornament–WHEN SOULS FALL–stops the disintegration. And while Wayne has put up a struggle, the lights are now going out. Is the hold over him breaking as well? I guess we’ll find out next week.

    And in the meantime, someone please adopt Millie and take her to Glossier or whatever it is girls her age like to do–watch unfathomable hours of Youtube unboxing videos?

    9/10 – It is hilarious and just that bogeyman child-catcher Charlie Manx can’t win an argument with a tween.

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    BostonAustinD
    BostonAustin
    2 years ago

    When Charlie was in the real world, he could sense the presence of a new Strong Creative who could be a problem for him. Yet, he couldn’t sense the presence of that same Strong Creative when she was in his inscape? Actually, there were two Strong Creatives, Maggie and Vic, running amok in his inscape. That’s baffling.

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    KkelieD
    Kkelie
    2 years ago

    I hate that Wayne took his name! I also think that leaving Lou back and now with Vic is just bull. I mean we know how much he loves Wayne. He’s just going to wait back?

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    Samuel234D
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    2 years ago
    Reply to  Kkelie

    I didn’t understand this either. Why would they have it play out this way? He was the one there for Wayne when Vic was running around. It just makes little sense.

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    Snarky-GuruD
    Snarky-Guru
    2 years ago

    I started a topic on the sister site, Talkwhatever, about how this programme is uncannily similar to Stephen King’s bestselling novel, It. Now that I’ve had the epiphany I can’t unsee it and it’s made the whole thing less exciting. Oh well, one more episode to go. https://www.talkwhateveronline.com/threads/nos4a2-is-just-another-it.66222/

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    DrewsiD
    Drewsi
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Snarky-Guru

    That is interesting and I didn’t know that he is related to King. I do see some similarities. I’ll still watch it though. Sometimes I love the episode, other times not so much.

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    Rick
    Rick
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Drewsi

    His full name is Joseph Hill King. If you pull up a YouTube video, he looks and sounds exactly like his father! It’s really uncanny.

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    KkelieD
    Kkelie
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Snarky-Guru

    Really? Why would you be less interested by that? I think it’s pretty neat honestly. I didn’t put the two together until I read your other post. I’m excited to see how this turns out.

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    Snarky-Guru
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Kkelie

    I’m not sure why to be honest. It just feels unoriginal. Like he cheated. I suppose it’s fine though, and I did like this season loads more than the last.

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    Rick
    Rick
    2 years ago

    No one has anything to say?

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    Salome G
    2 years ago
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    Our British friends are a little behind–the season started a few weeks later in the UK.

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    Rick
    Rick
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Salome G

    Really? I did not know that TV shows worked that way.

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    Salome G
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Rick

    Yes, season 2 started on July 7 there, about two and a half weeks after it started in the US.

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    Rick
    Rick
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Salome G

    Funny… I was puzzled about the fact that I was sometimes getting replies weeks after an episode aired, and I couldn’t figure out why that was…🤔
    Thanks for the info.

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    Gavin the Binge-WatcherD
    Gavin the Binge-Watcher
    2 years ago
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    I’ve done that a time or two I’m sure. I’m strictly a binge-watcher when it comes to programmes and will save up several episodes for one go. This season was much better than the last in my opinion. Vic was less stroppy and Charlie was more interesting. Focusing more on Charlie and his villainy, rather than Vic and her angst, also helped things along. I’m not sure I care for Wayne though. Child or not, he seems like a brat.

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    PersephoneD
    Persephone
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Rick

    I’m in the US, but it took me a while to get through the last three episodes. Sometimes it’s too brutal, like Millie really gets to me. Sometimes I’m just so aggravated that they’re flipping the script with no explanation that I have to shut it off. Who cares about the Wraith anyway? Just destroy Christmasland and that’s good enough.

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    Rick
    Rick
    2 years ago

    So, I guess I’m the only one who reads these reviews?

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    Snarky-GuruD
    Snarky-Guru
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Rick

    As much as I enjoy the recaps for NOS4A2, I try not to read ahead so that I can avoid having it spoiled. I think you’re spot on that damaging Christmasland shouldn’t have hurt Manx. That was so ridiculous! It’s always been all about the Wraith! The Wraith plus a kid is how he sustains himself. Plus, Maggie broke the hourglass that was used by the Hourglass guy and that did him no harm. So why is Christmasland so different? And if the Wraith is protected by magic and can sustain substantial damage why didn’t that also apply to Christmasland?… Read more »

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    Rick
    Rick
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Snarky-Guru

    No, don’t….😊

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    Snarky-GuruD
    Snarky-Guru
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Rick

    Yeah, I’ve finally seen the finale and it all went unanswered. I enjoyed this season and thought the finale was excellent, but some aspects to the series just didn’t make sense. It’s like the writers forgot the rules they created in the beginning.

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    Rick
    Rick
    2 years ago

    It really doesn’t make any sense that blowing up some of the buildings and rides at Christmas Land would cause Charlie to become injured and age again. We’ve always seen that his life force is tied to the Wraith…. nothing else. Besides, hasn’t he said that everything in Christmas Land is created by his imagination?

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    Drewsi
    2 years ago
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    Yeah, what’s the deal with that? Why would it make Charlie weaker? They are constantly changing the way things work on this one.

    I’m in the US but I dvr the show. I am a few episodes behind. Mostly because the show irritates me at times.

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    Rick
    Rick
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Drewsi

    Vic really irritates me. I’m so over her weepy cry face all the time!

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    Fade-to-Black
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Rick

    I thought it might be Millie’s “fault”. Her sudden rebellion might’ve damaged his creative ability to dream it up and pull it into the real world. I have no idea though. Just trying to make it all make sense.

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    Rick
    Rick
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Fade-to-Black

    You know, that’s a good point. If you recall from the flashbacks of the 1920’s, Charlie and Millie more or less dreamt up Christmas land together. They talked about it frequently, and Millie actually thought up many of the ideas and rides, Etc. So it would make a lot of sense that her participation and willingness is what helps hold the place together.

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    Rick
    Rick
    2 years ago

    I think Charlie went with Millie to the house because he didn’t really believe it was there. He genuinely seemed like he didn’t know what Millie was talking about. That’s how the unconscious mind works – you’re not aware of what’s there.

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    Kkelie
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Rick

    That could be true. I love that Millie is getting stronger. I also love that Vic was so good with her. Obviously Millie must know that her dad could care less about her (after this episode).

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    Rick
    Rick
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Kkelie

    I don’t know if you’ve seen the final episode of the season, but I think you’ll be surprised where Millie ends up!

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    ArabellaD
    Arabella
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Rick

    I thought Millie told him about the house and the woman inside it during a previous episode. Manx seemed to acknowledge it when he told his daughter not to leave the bounds of Christmasland. I could be wrong though.

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    Rick
    Rick
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Arabella

    I’m a little fuzzy on that too, but Charlie seemed genuinely shocked and horrified to see his wife…. it all seemed like a surprise to him. Given how scared he became, I don’t think you would have voluntarily gone in that house knowing who is inside.

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    Samuel234
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Arabella

    I thought she told him in a previous episode too. He did really act surprised though. Like why would he go there knowing that he gets weaker there if he knew it was the house?

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    ArabellaD
    Arabella
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Samuel234

     I keep thinking about this one because it’s driving me bonkers. Maybe Manx was just acknowledging that Millie saw a woman and a house, not that he could see them too or knew what was inside. We know he couldn’t see Craig’s ghost when he appeared in the Wraith. I think that could mean that Millie and Wayne were seeing their own magic without pulling them into Manx’s mind. Millie just barely mentioned the woman and the house to her father, and he wasn’t interested anyway. Maybe Manx acknowledged his daughter’s vision because he’s used to her dreaming stuff up. It took… Read more »

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    Rick
    Rick
    2 years ago
    Reply to  Arabella

    Yeah, I don’t think Charlie was really listening too closely to what Millie said. He just quickly scolded her. I don’t think he would have ever gone to the house if he knew that Cassie was there. She never took his crap in real life, and he’s genuinely terrified of her!

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